I've been looking at the forums and also at the seauonboard website.  Can anyone tell me if jeans will be acceptable for supper (dinner) in the dining room.  I'm aware that there will be one formal night, but my question is in reference to the other evenings.  Thanks in advance for your help. 

Carnival allowes jeans on non cruise elegant nights but a lot of cruisers would rather not see them or shorts on these nights.

I don't see why anyone would have a problem with nice jeans or walking shorts on casual night.  I have seen some sights on formal night which should never have been allowed.  My husband has great legs and he looks good in dress shorts and a polo shirt although he has never worn them  into the dining room in the evening. 

My response is as long as Carnival allows it, then who cares what some may or may not want to see. You're not on vacation to please others as long as you are within the rules, then I don't see anything wrong with it.  I just read that jeans and nice short were allowed recently, and you can bet on our next cruise we will be dressing a little more casual on casual night, but also within the guidelines.  On our last cruise, I felt WAY over dressed.  Just my two cents.

I also don't see anything wrong with jeans or shorts as long as they are decent. If you were in your town back home you would see plenty of jeans in restaraunts, even more upscale ones. What is the major difference? I think jeans/shorts on formal night are fine and apparently Carnival thinks so too.

Sorry but Carnival doesn't say that jeans/shorts are okay on formal nights. Did you mean to say they are fine on NON-formal nights? I hope so.

breeze3005:

My response is as long as Carnival allows it, then who cares what some may or may not want to see.

Um ... Carnival does not specifically prohibit nudity in the Casino.  "Who cares what others want to see..."

 Right?

Or are you going to draw lines around what you consider appropriate that you can justify in the stated rules and summarily dismiss as irrelevant what others think?

You're not on vacation to please others as long as you are within the rules, then I don't see anything wrong with it.

Probably not.  Most selfish people don't.

OMG, I can't believe you would reply the way you did.  First, I'm the least selfish person you could possibly know.  Second, no nudity is a given, I believe it's a law in the U.S. and would be called indecent exposure. Third, NO I did not state that what I "consider appropriate that you can justify in the stated rules and summarily dismiss as irrelevant what others."

What I STATED was if it's in the rules, i.e. jeans/shorts on informal nights, then by gosh, it's allowed whether someone else in the dining room wants to see it or not is irrelevant. I stand by my statement, you're not on vacation to please others, and that doesn't mean that you have the right to be rude, or anything like that, the thread was talking about "Appropriate Dress for Supper" and that's what I was referring to. Sheesh!

breeze3005:

OMG, I can't believe you would reply the way you did.

...Allow me to introduce myself ...

First, I'm the least selfish person you could possibly know. 

Not from what I read you saying, you're not.  You don't seem to give a rat's patoot what other people think ... and in social circumstances, that's considered rude and selfish.

Second, no nudity is a given, I believe it's a law in the U.S. and would be called indecent exposure.

Um ... I don't believe I have to point this out ... but ... a ship on the high seas is not in the US.

 But if you prefer, let's reduce it to someone else chewing with their mouth open, or having a profane marital argument at the dinner table, or picking their teeth or nose and smearing the pickings on the tablecloth.  There's any number of socially annoying habits that folks can do that are not specifically prohibitted by explicit rule or guideline -- Carnival's or otherwise.  Feel free to take your pick [har].

Like it or don't, many many [manymanymany] people consider shorts, flops, tube tops, jeans, yadda to be tacky and unsightly.  You aren't going to change that by dismissing the folks who think that way..

Third, NO I did not state that what I "consider appropriate that you can justify in the stated rules and summarily dismiss as irrelevant what others."

You didn't? 

You said it again: "What I STATED was if it's in the rules, i.e. jeans/shorts on informal nights, then by gosh, it's allowed whether someone else in the dining room wants to see it or not is irrelevant." 

And you "stand by your statement", even.

And what I take exception to is the selfish attitude that no one else matters.  The rules of social behavior [which transcend Carnival's rules, as per nose-picking and profane marital spats], considers as rude the notion that you [or me, or anyone else] can act in public as if we owned the public arena. 

Like it or not, what other people wear does matter; many will find it intrusive to see someone three tables over in a gaudy get-up that magnetically attracts everyone's gaze.  You can't concentrate on your own dinner because of visual distraction. 

...and don't try to say it doesn't happen, because we both know better.  It happens with every sense available: sight, sound, smell, texture and taste.  You can no more "ignore" the gaudy lighting, the gaudy decor, the gaudy get-up than you can "ignore" the jackhammers or police sirens, or the bathroom smells or heavy perfume, or the wooden benches that leave slivers in your tuchis, or ...

Now, when the issue is jackhammers or garish lighting, people say, "Oh, well that's a given!"  No one can be expected to be unphased by such impositions during a classy meal.  But when the issue is others' gaudy get-ups, it suddenly and miraculously becomes the intolerance of the viewER rather than the rudeness of the viewEE.  Interesting transformation, that.

Yes, it matters.

Ummm... like I said before and I guess you weren't reading, the thread was about "Appropiate Dress for Supper."  Not what is socially acceptable behavior in public.  You don't know me and I don't know you, as you can see I have placed no judgement on you at all, and you've place several judgements on me by a simple statement I made.  Obviously you have issues.  I'll "borrow" your words and say "like it or don't" it doesn't have to matter what other people are wearing, sorry, but that is called "judgement".  Obviously you sit at your meals in public, or I guess when you're in public generally, you're seemingly placing judgement on people.  Personally, I don't have time for people like you.

I can't say it right back, "like or don't" many people are not offended by how others dress.  Just to state, that this may or may not be how I feel, but I can tell you that it is the truth.  What you are saying isn't fact, just an opinion.

Yes, I know a ship on the High Seas in not in U.S. territory anymore, but I noticed that you were from the U.S. and that is why I stated such a fact.  Many of the passengers are from the U.S. and I'm guessing most would consider what is law in the U.S. would be appropiately applied on the ship.

From the mouth of Mother Teresa, "If you judge people, you have no time to love them." She's on the road to Sainthood.  You may want to think about that the next time you go judging people.

breeze3005:

Ummm... like I said before and I guess you weren't reading

That's awfully judgmental of you, isn't it?  [The answer is: yes it is].  Simply because you have convinced yourself that you and your words are benign does not mean that those who find them sanctimonious are wrong.  ...and dismissable as irrelevant.

the thread was about "Appropiate Dress for Supper."  Not what is socially acceptable behavior in public.

If manner of dress for what amounts to an ocean-going restaurant is not a manifestation of public behavior, then I'm going right back to being naked on the Lido deck.

You don't know me and I don't know you, as you can see I have placed no judgement on you at all

Apart from I can't read.  Except for that, you're right.

Oh, and apart from that I "obviously" go to dinner to pass judgment on what others wear.

Apart from those two, yeah, you're right.  No judgmentalism at all from you.

OH!  Nearly forgot.  I also "obviously" have "issues".

Apart from those three ...

Personally, I don't have time for people like you.

Your two responses suggest otherwise.

breeze3005:

What you are saying isn't fact, just an opinion.

Uh, you're incorrect about that.

My opinion is that I don't much care what other people wear [I'm more a noise-distraction guy].  What they wear is, at most, a source of amusement.

But factually speaking, many many [manymanymany] people do care, and they have every right to full participation in public as you, or me, or those from Sunny Side Trailer Court in their cut offs and Daisy Duke halter tops. 

Factually speaking, there is an entire industry devoted to creating harmonious and full-sensory dining experiences, and one facet of it is a dress code ... that eschews jeans and "dress shorts".  There's a difference between Maxim's and Old Country Buffet.  Of the two, the main dining room on a passenger cruise ship is more like Maxim's. 

"Opinion" is a reduction of how the factual reality relates to an individual.  "I like this; I don't like that" et cetera.  Those are opinions.  You want one of my opinions?  I've given it before, and to my knowledge, it's the only actual, by-god opinion I've given on this subject: I do not believe there is any such thing as "dress shorts".

Now, frankly, I don't care if you disagree with that.  You can compose long treatises [even longer than mine, if you like] to Dress Shorts and post them here; I won't respond, and I won't become bitter about you thinking your opinion is better than mine. Compose sonnets and odes, for all I care.

But -- and this is not really debatable -- whether you like it or not, your presence in any public setting is the backdrop for others.  And vice versa.  You are part of their scenery.  And they are part of yours.  Whether you wish to get all snooty about them being "judgmental" is more/less irrelevant; it is the reality.

...and that is not my "opinion".

 Holy Cow!!!  This thread has turned very interesting!  You mean to say we can actually walk around naked in the casino?!?!  This is Awesome!  Now I don't have to pack nearly as much!  I learn so much on these forums.  

Kisses!

W 

This would be very interesting. I work for a casino and we do not allow naked people! LOL